Current Version
| Region | Indonesia |
| Issue | Serving openly in military |
| Status | Illegal |
| Start Date | past |
| End Date | now |
| Description | Under the ST/398/2009 telegram letter of the Indonesian Military, it is illegal for LGBTQIA+ identifying people to serve in the military, openly or secretly. The Indonesian Military aggressively hunts, cracks down, imprison, and dishonorably discharge LGBTQIA+ identifying members of the Indonesian Military. Back then, the Indonesian Psychological Association stated that LGBTQIA+ identity is a mental illness. Numerous people inside the Military were imprisoned if vigilantes caught Military members having private, consensual, gay sex. We compiled and translated the tweets from the Indonesian Air Force’s Official Account responding to questions about recruiting LGBTQIA+ identifying people to the Indonesian Military. Here are all the tweets in chronological order: 1. When being asked if members of the LGBTQIA+ community can serve in the Indonesian Military, here are their response: (https://twitter.com/_TNIAU/status/950706476623933446) Ooohhh, cannot (shocked face) Upon selection there are psychological tests, LGBT is a mental disorder. If there are many recruits that are mentally healthy why must we accept the mentally deficient? 2. The twitter went viral and there were some criticisms, which they responded with: (https://twitter.com/_TNIAU/status/950723833606037505) (The word “normal” means heterosexual) Responding to many mentions that went in -> until right now there are still many Military recruits that have a normal sexual orientation. Members of the Indonesian Military are governed by military norms including religious norms & laws, so (members) must be physically & mentally healthy 3. In response to the numerous tweets arguing that homosexuality is not a mental illness, they responded with: (https://twitter.com/_TNIAU/status/950733029894381569) (“Airmin” is how they say Air Force Admin) (“UI” is short for the University of Indonesia, the top University in Indonesia) In response to the debate if LGBT is a mental disorder or not, "airmin" will give you a Link containing an opinion from one of the doctors of UI. https://nasional.republika.co.id/berita/nasional/umum/16/03/23/o4hkwh365-guru-besar-ui-lgbt-penyakit-gangguan-jiwa 4. One person replied that it is an opinion of one person and does not equate the scientific burden of proof. They responded with: (https://twitter.com/_TNIAU/status/950737066127536128) As an member of the Military who is pious to the Almighty God and as a Muslim the Al-Quran is enough to be a scientific proof, are there any higher knowledge and more credible than the Holy Bible? In the Holy Bible LGBT is not only prohibited but also “cursed” 5. The Indonesian Air Force responded to more replies with this final tweet: (https://twitter.com/_tniau/status/950738661905121281) Same-sex relationships is a sin am I right? (smile emoji) I’m sorry yaa, even animals are never wrong in their (mating) targets |
| Sources | https://www.vice.com/en/article/wx8e94/indonesian-security-forces-vow-to-purge-lgbt-people-from-their-ranks https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3201512/indonesian-soldiers-booted-army-jailed-gay-sex https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/2449767/two-indonesian-soldiers-get-seven-months-jail-for-gay-sex |
Reports (1)
- Status is not correct "Not illegal. It should be “Don’t ask, don't tell” because when you're gay but you don't tell, it's still acceptable."
Revision History (12)
Revision by ignatiusnathanl. Some emoji and sentence markers
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| Description | Under the ST/398/2009 telegram letter of the Indonesian Military, it is illegal for LGBTQIA+ identifying people to serve in the military, openly or secretly. The Indonesian Military aggressively hunts, cracks down, imprison, and dishonorably discharge LGBTQIA+ identifying members of the Indonesian Military. Back then, the Indonesian Psychological Association stated that LGBTQIA+ identity is a mental illness. Numerous people inside the Military were imprisoned if vigilantes caught Military members having private, consensual, gay sex. We compiled and translated the tweets from the Indonesian Air Force’s Official Account responding to questions about recruiting LGBTQIA+ identifying people to the Indonesian Military. Here are all the tweets in chronological order: 1. When being asked if members of the LGBTQIA+ community can serve in the Indonesian Military, here are their response: (https://twitter.com/_TNIAU/status/950706476623933446) Ooohhh, cannot Upon selection there are psychological tests, LGBT is a mental disorder If there are many recruits that are mentally healthy why must we accept the mentally deficient? 2. The twitter went viral and there were some criticisms, which they responded with: (https://twitter.com/_TNIAU/status/950723833606037505) (The word “normal” means heterosexual) Responding to many mentions that went in -> until right now there are still many Military recruits that have a normal sexual orientation. Members of the Indonesian Military are governed by military norms including religious norms & laws, so (members) must be physically & mentally healthy 3. In response to the numerous tweets arguing that homosexuality is not a mental illness, they responded with: (https://twitter.com/_TNIAU/status/950733029894381569) (“Airmin” is how they say Air Force Admin) (“UI” is short for the University of Indonesia, the top University in Indonesia) In response to the debate if LGBT is a mental disorder or not, "airmin"will give you a Link containing an opinion from one of the doctors of UI. https://nasional.republika.co.id/berita/nasional/umum/16/03/23/o4hkwh365-guru-besar-ui-lgbt-penyakit-gangguan-jiwa 4. One person replied that it is an opinion of one person and does not equate the scientific burden of proof. They responded with: (https://twitter.com/_TNIAU/status/950737066127536128) As an member of the Military who is pious to the Almighty God and as a Muslim the Al-Quran is enough to be a scientific proof, are there any higher knowledge and more credible than the Holy Bible? In the Holy Bible LGBT is not only prohibited but also “cursed” 5. The Indonesian Air Force responded to more replies with this final tweet: (https://twitter.com/_tniau/status/950738661905121281) Same-sex relationships is a sin am I right :) I’m sorry yaa, even animals are never wrong in their (mating) targets | Under the ST/398/2009 telegram letter of the Indonesian Military, it is illegal for LGBTQIA+ identifying people to serve in the military, openly or secretly. The Indonesian Military aggressively hunts, cracks down, imprison, and dishonorably discharge LGBTQIA+ identifying members of the Indonesian Military. Back then, the Indonesian Psychological Association stated that LGBTQIA+ identity is a mental illness. Numerous people inside the Military were imprisoned if vigilantes caught Military members having private, consensual, gay sex. We compiled and translated the tweets from the Indonesian Air Force’s Official Account responding to questions about recruiting LGBTQIA+ identifying people to the Indonesian Military. Here are all the tweets in chronological order: 1. When being asked if members of the LGBTQIA+ community can serve in the Indonesian Military, here are their response: (https://twitter.com/_TNIAU/status/950706476623933446) Ooohhh, cannot (shocked face) Upon selection there are psychological tests, LGBT is a mental disorder. If there are many recruits that are mentally healthy why must we accept the mentally deficient? 2. The twitter went viral and there were some criticisms, which they responded with: (https://twitter.com/_TNIAU/status/950723833606037505) (The word “normal” means heterosexual) Responding to many mentions that went in -> until right now there are still many Military recruits that have a normal sexual orientation. Members of the Indonesian Military are governed by military norms including religious norms & laws, so (members) must be physically & mentally healthy 3. In response to the numerous tweets arguing that homosexuality is not a mental illness, they responded with: (https://twitter.com/_TNIAU/status/950733029894381569) (“Airmin” is how they say Air Force Admin) (“UI” is short for the University of Indonesia, the top University in Indonesia) In response to the debate if LGBT is a mental disorder or not, "airmin" will give you a Link containing an opinion from one of the doctors of UI. https://nasional.republika.co.id/berita/nasional/umum/16/03/23/o4hkwh365-guru-besar-ui-lgbt-penyakit-gangguan-jiwa 4. One person replied that it is an opinion of one person and does not equate the scientific burden of proof. They responded with: (https://twitter.com/_TNIAU/status/950737066127536128) As an member of the Military who is pious to the Almighty God and as a Muslim the Al-Quran is enough to be a scientific proof, are there any higher knowledge and more credible than the Holy Bible? In the Holy Bible LGBT is not only prohibited but also “cursed” 5. The Indonesian Air Force responded to more replies with this final tweet: (https://twitter.com/_tniau/status/950738661905121281) Same-sex relationships is a sin am I right? (smile emoji) I’m sorry yaa, even animals are never wrong in their (mating) targets |
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Revision by ignatiusnathanl. Change status to Illegal
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| Value | (REMOVED) | Illegal |
| Special Status | Ambiguous | (REMOVED) |
Revision by ignatiusnathanl. Edit Sources to be more relevant to the Indonesian military
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| Sources | http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2010/12/17/in-workplace-lgbts-face-discrimination.html | https://www.vice.com/en/article/wx8e94/indonesian-security-forces-vow-to-purge-lgbt-people-from-their-ranks https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3201512/indonesian-soldiers-booted-army-jailed-gay-sex https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/2449767/two-indonesian-soldiers-get-seven-months-jail-for-gay-sex |
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Revision by ignatiusnathanl. Military Telegram Added
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| Description | Lesbian,Gay men and women are not allowed to serve in the military under the ST/398/2009 telegram letter of the Indonesian army. Though intersex individuals are technically allowed to serve in the army since 2021. No rules were stated for Transgender individuals yet. Might be allowed in the future if the Indonesian army decide to require conscription. | Under the ST/398/2009 telegram letter of the Indonesian Military, it is illegal for LGBTQIA+ identifying people to serve in the military, openly or secretly. The Indonesian Military aggressively hunts, cracks down, imprison, and dishonorably discharge LGBTQIA+ identifying members of the Indonesian Military. Back then, the Indonesian Psychological Association stated that LGBTQIA+ identity is a mental illness. Numerous people inside the Military were imprisoned if vigilantes caught Military members having private, consensual, gay sex. We compiled and translated the tweets from the Indonesian Air Force’s Official Account responding to questions about recruiting LGBTQIA+ identifying people to the Indonesian Military. Here are all the tweets in chronological order: 1. When being asked if members of the LGBTQIA+ community can serve in the Indonesian Military, here are their response: (https://twitter.com/_TNIAU/status/950706476623933446) Ooohhh, cannot Upon selection there are psychological tests, LGBT is a mental disorder If there are many recruits that are mentally healthy why must we accept the mentally deficient? 2. The twitter went viral and there were some criticisms, which they responded with: (https://twitter.com/_TNIAU/status/950723833606037505) (The word “normal” means heterosexual) Responding to many mentions that went in -> until right now there are still many Military recruits that have a normal sexual orientation. Members of the Indonesian Military are governed by military norms including religious norms & laws, so (members) must be physically & mentally healthy 3. In response to the numerous tweets arguing that homosexuality is not a mental illness, they responded with: (https://twitter.com/_TNIAU/status/950733029894381569) (“Airmin” is how they say Air Force Admin) (“UI” is short for the University of Indonesia, the top University in Indonesia) In response to the debate if LGBT is a mental disorder or not, "airmin"will give you a Link containing an opinion from one of the doctors of UI. https://nasional.republika.co.id/berita/nasional/umum/16/03/23/o4hkwh365-guru-besar-ui-lgbt-penyakit-gangguan-jiwa 4. One person replied that it is an opinion of one person and does not equate the scientific burden of proof. They responded with: (https://twitter.com/_TNIAU/status/950737066127536128) As an member of the Military who is pious to the Almighty God and as a Muslim the Al-Quran is enough to be a scientific proof, are there any higher knowledge and more credible than the Holy Bible? In the Holy Bible LGBT is not only prohibited but also “cursed” 5. The Indonesian Air Force responded to more replies with this final tweet: (https://twitter.com/_tniau/status/950738661905121281) Same-sex relationships is a sin am I right :) I’m sorry yaa, even animals are never wrong in their (mating) targets |
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Revision by XabBG
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| Value | Illegal | (REMOVED) |
| Special Status | (REMOVED) | Ambiguous |
Reports (1)
- Status is not correct "Indonesian military personnels who are caught by vigilantes to identify as homosexual were fired, demoted, and imprisoned. It is ILLEGAL to serve in the military as a gay person, quoting that LGBTQIA+ is a mental illness."
Revision by Muhammadaji2022
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| Description | Lesbian and Gay men and women are not allowed to serve in the military under the ST/398/2009 telegram letter of the Indonesian army. Though intersex individuals are technically allowed to serve in the army since 2021. No rules were stated for Transgender individuals yet. Might be allowed in the future if the Indonesian army decide to require conscription. | Lesbian,Gay men and women are not allowed to serve in the military under the ST/398/2009 telegram letter of the Indonesian army. Though intersex individuals are technically allowed to serve in the army since 2021. No rules were stated for Transgender individuals yet. Might be allowed in the future if the Indonesian army decide to require conscription. |
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Revision by Muhammadaji2022
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| Description | Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual men and women are not allowed to serve in the military under the ST/398/2009 telegram letter of the Indonesian army. Might be allowed in the future if the Indonesian army decide to require conscription. | Lesbian and Gay men and women are not allowed to serve in the military under the ST/398/2009 telegram letter of the Indonesian army. Though intersex individuals are technically allowed to serve in the army since 2021. No rules were stated for Transgender individuals yet. Might be allowed in the future if the Indonesian army decide to require conscription. |
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Revision by Muhammadaji2022
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| Description | Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual men and women are not allowed to serve in the military under the ST/398/2009 telegram letter of the Indonesian army. Might be allowed if the Indonesian army decide to require conscription. | Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual men and women are not allowed to serve in the military under the ST/398/2009 telegram letter of the Indonesian army. Might be allowed in the future if the Indonesian army decide to require conscription. |
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Revision by Muhammadaji2022
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| Description | Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual men and women are not allowed to serve in the military under the ST/398/2009 telegram letter of the Indonesian army. | Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual men and women are not allowed to serve in the military under the ST/398/2009 telegram letter of the Indonesian army. Might be allowed if the Indonesian army decide to require conscription. |
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Revision by Muhammadaji2022
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| Value | (REMOVED) | Illegal |
| Special Status | N/A | (REMOVED) |
| Description | There is not a specific law against LGBT military service however, gay and lesbian Indonesians face discrimination when attempting to serve in the military. | Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual men and women are not allowed to serve in the military under the ST/398/2009 telegram letter of the Indonesian army. |
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Revision by LGBT_southeastasian
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| Value | Illegal | (REMOVED) |
| Special Status | (REMOVED) | N/A |
| Start Date | Aug 18, 1945 | (NONE) |
Revision by Antinousosiris
| Old Value (Original) | New Value | |
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| Value | Don't Ask, Don't Tell | Illegal |
Reports (1)
- Status is not correct "In serving the military and police being LGBTIQ person is not specifically illegal, however the rules that apply will use the justification of morality those are stipulated in the religious laws and local custom while being LGBTIQ is illegal in the particular religion and it often the high rank officers in these bodies will refer to the additional laws instead using Constitutional Law. Case reported a gay police man was fired due to his SOGIESC status. https://news.detik.com/berita/d-4553674/polri-soal-pemecatan-polisi-gay-anggota-polri-tak-boleh-lgbt"